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Rashad Kahlifa

This good article is ruined by this random section. I think it should be removed, regards.

I've deleted the Rashad Kahlifa bits. It was under "Other Possible Prophets" section, but was referred to in the article as "False Prophet according to Islamic Faith".

Messenger not Prophet

Have you ever seen that Messenger is not same as Prophet? Do you know that Mohammed is not prophet but he is Messenger of All-llah. (Puntori 16:00, 12 February 2007 (UTC))

There is at least three messengers(Rasul) in Quran that we have no verse to show that they are prophets(Nabi) also: Hud,Saleh and Shoaib.--Submitter to Truth (talk) 04:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Huzlah Ibn Safwan

Ibn jarir stated that the dwellers of Ar Rass were the people of one of Thamud's villages. Allah sent a prophet to them called Huzlah Ibn Safwan. They denied and killed him, so Allah destroyed them.

why is he not on the list

Resolute

I found a reference for "the Resolute" and am suggesting another spelling. I'm trying to find out how many messengers there are. Is it three? That seems like an important number. Jonathan Tweet 00:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC) I marked some of these statements as needing citations. I can't readily find a clean, generally accepted definition of rasul and nabi.

Unlike Judaism and Christianity, Islam distinguish between a "rasul" (messenger) and a "nabi" (prophet). Both are "divinely inspired" recipients of God's revelation. However, messengers are given a message for a community in book form[citation needed] and, unlike prophets, are assured success by God[citation needed]. While all messengers are prophets, not all prophets are messengers (see also Itmam al-hujjah).[1][2][3]

  1. ^ John Esposito(2005), Islam: The Straight Path, p.20
  2. ^ Amin Ahsan Islahi. Tadabbur-i-Qur'an, vol.8, p.273
  3. ^ Rasul and nabi

Jonathan Tweet 01:28, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


The statement above implies that there is no prophet/messenger distinction in Judaism and Christianity, yet we read somewhere else in the article (Distinction between Prophets and Messengers section): "According to Uri Rubin, the Qur'an, as in the New Testament, ranks apostles (rasūl) higher than prophets (see 1 Cor 12:28-31; cf. Eph 3:5; 4:11). "

Isn't there a contradiction...? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.147.46.242 (talk) 13:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC) Muhammad was the last Prophet of Allah as stated in the Quran

Islamic view of -

Whenever 'Isa or Jesus is linked on the article, it links to "Islamic view of Jesus" - yet other prophets are not linked to the same kind of page even though those pages exist, such as "Islamic view of Moses" or "Islamic view of Noah". Should they all correspond, i.e. all should link to their own "Islamic view of -" rather than to just the prophet? Also, the ability of choices, such as in the table for 'Isa and Adam/Eve "Main articles:"?

Modenadude 01:52, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

The reason is that there was a split between Islamic view of Jesus, Christian views of Jesus and Jewish view of Jesus. Jesus is the main article, which also includes the historical view. Arch O. La Grigory Deepdelver 14:54, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


Paraclete

The Biblical name of Muhammad is Paraclete? This is from what/where? I have the feeling that there is no common agreement on this point, considering the different religions views of one another.

Number of Messengers and Prophets

While it is commonly accepted that there is about 124,000 (according to some 125,000) prophets, I have never heard of 124,000 messengers. As a subject under the Pillars of Faith, Muslims are required to know the 25 Messengers i.e. the list/links of the wiki pages on each the messengers at the end of the article. Also, since it is stated in there that 124,000 came from Hadith Sahih, care should be taken in translating it and the word used. It must be remembered at all times that a nabi (prophet) is not placed under any responsibility to spread their teaching. A rasul (messenger) however is tasked by God to spread whatever he is taught to others in his community, race or in the case of Muhammad - to mankind and the entire universe as evident in (21:107) We sent thee not, but as a Mercy to all Worlds.

I believe this is the standard interpretation of nabi and rasul by Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah. Thus, I think 124,000 messengers is erroneous unless the arabic text of the hadith can be reproduced for verification.

"sharia"

In the intro, could the word "sharia" be replaced by a more common one, perhaps with a footnote recommending the reading of the sharia article? "Law", "rules"?
TIA, --Jerome Potts 04:56, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Naming consistancies

There seems to be some inconsistancy in the table about whether to use the Arabic or Islamic name. For example, 'Nuh' is referred to as 'Nuh' in the body text, whereas 'Ibrahim' is referred to as 'Abraham' and 'Lut' as 'Lot'.

To me, it would seem more logical to use the Arabic name, but whichever it should be consistent. Ged UK 14:22, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Consistency is good. It makes sense to mention the Arabic name first, then the Jewish/Christian name for clarification (for example, "Ibrahim (Abraham)". Arch O. La Grigory Deepdelver 14:52, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Article image

Article image currently links to the JP Mohammed cartoons? Vandalism? Andersa (talk) 09:30, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Justice left in the purpose of messengers!

Dear Guys,

Justice as a purpose of messenegers left in the related section. As Quran said in 57:25

لَقَدْ أَرْسَلْنا رُسُلَنا بِالْبَيِّناتِ وَ أَنْزَلْنا مَعَهُمُ الْكِتابَ وَ الْميزانَ لِيَقُومَ النَّاسُ بِالْقِسْطِ وَ أَنْزَلْنَا الْحَديدَ فيهِ بَأْسٌ شَديدٌ وَ مَنافِعُ لِلنَّاسِ وَ لِيَعْلَمَ اللَّهُ مَنْ يَنْصُرُهُ وَ رُسُلَهُ بِالْغَيْبِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ قَوِيٌّ عَزيز

Progressive Muslims translation is this:

We have sent Our messengers with proofs, and We sent down with them the Scripture and the balance, that the people may uphold justice. And We sent down the iron, wherein there is great strength, and many benefits for the people. All this in order for God to distinguish those who would support Him and His messengers, on faith. God is Powerful, Noble.

Please add Justice as a purpose of messengers also. Thanks --Submitter to Truth (talk) 11:35, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

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