Wikipedia:Requested moves

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Requested moves is a place for requesting the retitling of an article, a template, or a page in the Wikipedia namespace. Any logged-in user who has been registered for more than four days and made at least ten edits can use the [move] tab located at the top of each page to perform simple moves (see Help:Moving a page). However, administrator help may be required if the desired title is already occupied (usually in the form of a redirect with a page history of more than one edit) or matches the title blacklist.

In some situations, the value of a move may be under dispute, and discussion is necessary in order to reach a consensus. There is no obligation to list such move requests here; discussions of page moves can always be carried out at the article's talk page without adding an entry. This page may be seen as a place to advertise move debates that would benefit from wider community input, or for users to request assistance from administrators in moving pages.

Most move requests are processed by a handful of RM regulars who are familiar with naming conventions, nonbinding precedents, and page moving procedures (see also Wikipedia:Moving guidelines for administrators). Requests are generally processed after five days, although backlogs of a few days develop occasionally. If there is a clear consensus after this time, the request will be closed and acted upon. If not, the administrator may choose to re-list the request to allow time for consensus to develop, or close it as "no consensus".

What can be moved?

Separate processes exist for moving pages other than articles, and for changes other than page moves:

Images: To rename an image, upload the image again, but with the name you want. Then change the relevant links to reflect the new name and list the old image at images and media for deletion.

Categories: To rename a category, propose it at categories for discussion.

Stub templates: To rename a stub template, propose it at stub types for deletion.

Mergers: To merge two articles, make a request at proposed mergers or be bold and do it yourself.

Cut and paste move fixes: To request page histories to be merged, list them at cut and paste move repairs.

Requesting uncontroversial moves

If the move you are suggesting is uncontroversial—for example, a correction to spelling or capitalization—then update the article's text to reflect its new title. For example, change the incorrect lead sentence "A Suprise Speach is a..." to "A surprise speech is a..." If the move is uncontroversial and the move is technically possible, then please feel free to move the article yourself. Remember that page moves are possible, for anyone with an account at least four days old, in cases where the target name doesn't already exist, or in cases where the target is a simple redirect—a redirect to the source page, with no prior versions in its edit history.

If there has been any debate about the best title, or if the article has recently been moved in good faith, or if anyone could honestly disagree with the move, then treat it as controversial. Otherwise, post your request in the Uncontroversial proposals section of this page.

If the only obstacle to an uncontroversial move is not an article (e.g. a redirect or a disambiguation page with a single target article), the template {{db-move}} can be used instead to have that page deleted under criterion for speedy deletion G6.

Requesting potentially controversial moves

Please follow all three steps listed below when requesting a move.

Step 1 — Add move template to talk page
Enter {{move|NewName}} at the top of the talk page of the page you want moved, replacing "NewName" with the new name for the article, or add {{moveoptions}} if you are unsure of the best title for the article.
Step 2 — Create a place for discussion
If the discussion does not already exist, create a section at the bottom of the talk page of the page you have requested to be moved. This can take any form that is reasonable for administrators to follow, although it is convenient to use the heading ==Requested move==, because this is assumed by the template in step 3. The template {{subst:RMtalk|NewName|reason for move}} can be used to create a framework for a poll, but be aware that polling can be divisive.
Once the requested move process is at an end, the only record of the requested move is kept on the talk page of the article. The current page name and the suggested new name must be placed at the top of the section where the move is discussed so that editors who read the talk page in the future can see clearly what the proposed move was.
Step 3 — Add the request to the "Other proposals" list on this page
Add {{subst:RMlink|PageName|NewName|reason for move}} at the top of the section under the date line, replacing PageName, NewName and reason for move with the existing title, the new name for the article and the reason for moving it. The template will include all the necessary formatting, including your signature.
Alternatively, if the new name for the article is unclear, add {{subst:RMlink?|PageName|reason for move}} at the top of the section under the date line, replacing PageName with the existing title and reason for move with the reason for moving it. The template will include all the necessary formatting, including your signature.

Moving several pages at once

An example of how to request to move a block of pages:

*([[Talk:Page A|Discuss]]) -- Rationale goes here. --~~~~
**[[Page A]] → [[Page D]]
**[[Page B]] → [[Page E]]
**[[Page C]] → [[Page F]]

On Talk:Page A, follow steps 1 and 2 above (add {{move|Page D}} to the top and create a section for discussion).
On Talk:Page B, add {{multimove|Page E|Talk:Page A}} to the top.
On Talk:Page C, add {{multimove|Page F|Talk:Page A}} to the top.

Uncontroversial proposals

Only list proposals here that are clearly uncontroversial but require administrator help to complete (for example, spelling and capitalization fixes). Do not list a proposed page move in this section if there is any possibility that it could be opposed by anyone. Please list new requests at the bottom of the list in this section and use {{subst:RMassist|Old page name|Requested name|Reason for move}} rather than copying previous entries. The template will automatically include your signature. No edits to the article's talk page are required.

If you object to a proposal listed here, please re-list it in the #Incomplete and contested proposals section below.

Incomplete and contested proposals

With the exception of a brief description of the problem or objection to the move request, please do not discuss move requests here. If you support an incomplete or contested move request, please consider following the instructions above to create a full move request, and move the discussion to the "Other Proposals" section below. Requests that remain incomplete after five days will be removed.

  • Catch 'Em if You Can → Catch 'Em If You Can — As per WP:CAPS, coordinating conjunctions (if) are capitalized in title case. There's no reason not to capitalize "if". — Xnux the Echidna 21:26, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
    Actually, according to the page you linked: "each word in titles of books, films, and other works takes an initial capital, except for [. . .] prepositions and coordinating conjunctions shorter than five letters (e.g., "on", "from", "and", "with"), unless they begin or end a title or subtitle." Our house style seems to favor the lower-case 'i'. -GTBacchus(talk) 21:41, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
    I'm not sure why that says so, because it is not in any Manual of Style Wikipedia takes from. This directly clashes with WP:NC#Album and song titles and band names, Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums#Capitalization and Wikipedia:MUSTARD#Capitalization, which all use practically the same capitalization rules. Anyways, the "if" should be capitalized because works like The Chicago Manual of Style and A Dictionary of Modern English Usage (which Wikipedia's MoS are based off of) do not state that coordinating conjunctions shouldn't be capitalized (and there's no common spelling of "Catch 'Em If You Can" with lowercase "if"). I may edit WP:CAPS later. Xnux the Echidna 00:16, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
    Again, all three Wiki guidelines that you link say not to capitalize coordinating conjunctions. I have yet to see a page in our manual of style that says words such as "if" should be capitalized. From WP:NC#Album and song titles and band names: the standard rule in the English language is to capitalize words that are the first or the last word in the title and those that are not coordinating conjunctions... From Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums: "All other words except for coordinating conjunctions...". From WP:MUSTARD: "The first letter in the other words is also capitalized, except for coordinating conjunctions, prepositions, and articles, that are less than five letters long, as well as the word to in infinitives."

    Our in-house style pages all seem to agree that, no, we do not capitalize coordinating conjunctions. If you wish to edit one of those pages, then you might as well edit all four, but I predict you'll be reverted. We do not follow Chicago MoS or the Dictionary of Modern Usage. We follow our own in-house style guide. I can also attest that, in years of working on move requests, I haven't seen any decisions made to capitalize coordinating conjunctions. -GTBacchus(talk) 06:06, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

  • Society for Compilation of Korean History → Agency for Editing of Korean History: very first original title name was a "Agency for Editing of Korean History". however, this title name chaged suddenly without any consesuns.[1] illgeal mover said, 編修 means "compile" only. but this is not true. in Korea, 編修 means most commony used as "edit[2] for example, 편수관(編修官) an 'editorial officer;an (official) editor'. 편수원(編修員) is 'the editorial staff member' Manacpowers (talk) 02:58, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
    • Incomplete. JPG-GR (talk) 03:09, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Other proposals

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6 September 2008

  • Copito de Nieve → Floquet de Neu —(Discuss)— The article was moved to its current name by an admin, based only on a Google Test. The admin subsequently move-protected the page to prevent anyone from moving it back to the correct name. This ape has always been officially named in Catalan, was discovered by a Catalan primatologist, and lived most of its life in a zoo whose working language is Catalan. Even if there existed no Catalan name, the English name should be used (Snowflake). Therefore, I request that the article be moved to Floquet de Neu, which is its correct name. --Leptictidium (mt) 15:04, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

5 September 2008

  • Kačanik → Kaçanik —(Discuss)— Due to the new status and the majority population -- CD 06:59, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Attractive Nuisance → Attractive Nuisance (album) —(Discuss)— Attractive Nuisance is a legal concept, borrowed for the title of a record album. The primary article should be the legal concept, with a disambiguation link to the album --Paul Foxworthy (talk) 03:13, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Chocolate-coated marshmallow treats → Chocolate Tea Cakes —(Discuss)— I am proposing that we change the name of 'Chocolate-coated marshmallow treats' to 'Chocolate Teacakes. The name is abit daft and to biased towards an American spelling. When I googled Chocolate Tea cakes, I got 506,000 results. But when I googled Chocolate-coated marshmallow treats, I only got 2,320 results. So would it not make sense to rename it 'Chocolate Tea Cakes'? Its much more relevant. --Teacake Martyr (talk) 14:57, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
  • In Search of Sunrise: North American Summer Tour 2008 → In Search of Sunrise: Summer Tour 2008 —(Discuss)— The tour does not involve only North America, the tour includes Europe as a leg of the tour and therefore it should be changed to a more broad title. Rather than creating a new article titled "In Search of Sunrise: European Summer Tour 2008", it is better for both articles to be included together but first the title must be changed in order to add the new information on the European leg --Lonelysoulq (talk) 21:16, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

4 September 2008

  • The split being discussed is into "reaction to" and "recognition of". I don't see consensus for such a split on the talk page - and I don't think it's a good idea. The two concepts seem completely intertwined to me. If there were a clear consensus, I'd say 'try it', we can always merge later if it doesn't work. But lacking consensus, I don't think it's a good idea. Regards, Ben Aveling 22:06, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
  • There's not uniform agreement on dropping out the year on this proposed title. Several, including me, prefer 1977 Tenerife airport disaster. See the talk pages of the article for details. -- Yellowdesk (talk) 06:00, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

3 September 2008

  • Diocletianic Persecution → Great Persecution —(Discuss)— Nowhere (outside Wikipedia) is the term "Diocletianic Persecution" in wide use. Most reliable sources use the term "Great Persecution" to define the matter for study. Not all of Diocletian's persecutions are covered by the subject matter of the "Great Persecution" as traditionally defined. Not all persecutions covered by the subject matter of the "Great Persecution" as traditionally defined are strictly 'Diocletianic'. --Geuiwogbil (Talk) 16:27, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Siemens AG → Siemens —(Discuss)— The company's brand name is Siemens, the "AG" just means that it is a publicly listed company, and shouldn't be part of the article's name --Axt (talk) 10:45, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Hugo Boss AG → Hugo Boss —(Discuss)— The company's brand name is Hugo Boss, the "AG" just means that it is a publicly listed company, and shouldn't be part of the article's name --Axt (talk) 10:45, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

2 September 2008

  • Meleke → Jerusalem stone - (Discuss) - This page name was changed to an Arabic name. Jerusalem stone is the common English name and in accordance with Wikipedia policy on common names for commonly discussed stones. See: Manhattan schist, Puddingstone and Indiana Limestone. Jerusalem stone is the name used in tens of thousands of books and articles. Mekele is a foreign word scarcely used in English.Elan26 (talk) 18:41, 2 September 2008 (UTC)Elan26
  • Fictional film → Fiction film —(Discuss)—As seen at the archive, a long and rancorous debate closed with no consensus. The main objection IMHO was that the literature uses the term "fictional film" to mean "a film that is a work of fiction" and that the OED apparently doesn't list "fiction" as having use as an adjective. However, as the main objector himself acknowledged, both the terms "fiction film" and "fictional film" are used in the literature, including my the co-author of the book to which he pointed as definitive. That the OED does or doesn't note contemporary usage of the word "fiction" is not relevant, as common sense tells us that the word is used as an adjective in ordinary English usage. "Fictional" used to mean "contained within a work of fiction" is in widespread if not overwhelming usage across Wikipedia, with no fewer than 5,526 resultsin category names alone. Of particular note is Category:Fictional films, which collects articles on films that exist only within other works of fiction. By contrast, the Category:Fiction structure (including Category:Fiction books, a usage of which the objector claimed never to have heard before) deals with works of fiction. Clearly, maintaining this article at its current title is in conflict with a number of usage conventions within Wikipedia. Moving it resolves the ambiguity, allows for the creation of an article about fictional films should someone care to write one and brings the article in line with how things are done throughout the project. --Otto4711 (talk) 18:07, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

1 September 2008

  • Joseon Dynasty → Joseon —(Discuss)— Analogously to Goryeo, because the usage of the term "Joseon" throughout is confusing with a title like "Joseon Dynasty" (to English speakers), and Joseon redirects here. --Srnec (talk) 22:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Backlog

Move dated sections here after five days have passed (August 31 or older).

  • St Pancras railway station → ? —(Discuss)— I think the time has come to seek external input on whether the name of this station should include "London" and/or "International" —Tevildo (talk) 19:34, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Drukpa → Drukpa Kagyu — (Discuss)- The most common use of the word Drukpa is for "the People of Bhutan" a "Bhutanese person" or "Bhutanese" whereas the religious school is properly called "Drukpa Kagyu" in all academic sources and in most sources in Tibetan and Dzongkha languages. Chris Fynn (talk) 21:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Pilsen → Plzeň —(Discuss)— Current, more common name of this Czech city, "Pilsen" has fallen in disuse since the Germans left the city after World War II. --Húsönd 17:57, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
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